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Revision as of 14:19, 19 January 2024
The Tektronix 517 is a 50 MHz scope introduced in 1950 or 1951. The power supply is an external box, like in the 507, 551 and 555. The 517 does not take plug-ins. There is also a 517A (1955-1965).
Key Specifications
Bandwidth | AC (?) to 50 MHz (−3 dB) |
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Rise time | 7 ns |
Input Impedance | 170 Ω |
Sweep Rates | 10 ns/div to 20 μs/div |
Calibrator | ~25 kHz, 150 mVp-p to 50 Vp-p, 4% accuracy |
Power consumption | 1250 W |
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Historic Context
The 517 closely resembles a scope that Tektronix developed under a contract for the US military during 1949 and 1950. (See link below.)
Tektronix engineer Frank Hood recollects:
"A lot of progress was made in 1949 and 1950. Work was well underway by Logan Belleville, Dick Rhiger and Howard on the high speed scope, the 517.
This used some brand new circuitry, distributed (or chain) amplifiers, using 16 to 20 tubes in each stage to get the power needed to handle the high frequencies.
Our best prediction at that time was that there were only about 30 to 50 people in the whole world who had need of a scope with 60 to 100 megacycle bandwidth. As it turned out, when we brought out a higher speed scope, people were able to design equipment of greater bandwidth and needed even faster measuring instruments. The cycle was regenerative. Having faster, more accurate measuring tools created a demand for even more measuring tools.
We eventually sold several thousand of this instrument."
Internals
External Power Supply
The external power supply and oscilloscope are connected by a removable cable with a Jones plug on one end and a Jones socket on the other end. Units with serial numbers from 101 through 1739 use 12-pin Jones 2412 connectors; after that it is a 16-pin Jones connector. (Was a 16-pin Jones connector used or did they go directory from the 12-pin Jones connector to the 16-pin Amphenol power connector used by the 555?)
The voltages on the 12-pin connector are:
- Pin 1: +750 V, regulated
- Pin 2: +475 V, regulated
- Pin 3: +350 V, unregulated
- Pin 4: +225 V, regulated
- Pin 5: +150 V, regulated
- Pin 6: Ground
- Pin 7: −250 V, regulated
- Pin 8: +180 V, unregulated
Later 517A units uses the same cable as the 551 and 555. Although they use the same cable, they are completely incompatible – the voltages are different. The 517's external power supply provides +750 V to the indicator unit. The highest voltage provided by the 555 and 551 power supplies is +500 V. Also, for example, the 517A has +180 V on pin 8 of the 16-pin connector while the 555 and 551 have -150 V on pin 8.
Distributed Amplifiers
The 517 makes extensive use of the distributed amplifier concept. Originally the 5XP CRT was used, which has 38 V/cm vertical deflection sensitivity when operated with 24 kV acceleration voltage. (Is this correct? It doesn't agree with the 5XP datasheet.)
Since the vertical sensitivity at the input connector is 0.1 V/cm, we can calculate that the voltage gain from the input connector to the vertical deflection plates is 380. For 4 cm deflection, a 152 V differential output swing is required. There are DC blocking capacitors at various places in the signal path. The slowest sweep is 20 μs/cm. The 517 is not designed for low-frequency use.
The vertical signal path is as follows:
- Optional B170-V external input attenuator
- Gain Stage 1: single-ended, six sections, distributed, 6AK5 pentodes
- Gain Stage 2: single-ended, six sections, distributed, 6AK5 pentodes
- Gain Stage 3: single-ended, seven sections, distributed, 6AK5 pentodes
- Trig Pickoff: one common-cathode 6CB6 pentode
- Signal Delay: 51 feet of RG63U 125 Ω coaxial cable (65 ns)
- Phase Splitter: single-ended in, differential out, three sections, distributed, 6CB6 pentode
- Gain Stage 4: differential, six sections, distributed, 6CB6 pentodes
- Gain Stage 5: differential, twelve sections, distributed, 6CB6 pentodes
There is a trigger amplifier in the 517 which can take its input from an external source, or from the trigger pickoff in the vertical pre-amp, or from the internal rate generator circuit. The trigger amplifier circuit has five stages:
- Phase Splitter: 6J6 dual-triode connected as a differential amplifier
- Gain Stage 1: single-ended, three sections, distributed, 6AK5 pentodes
- Gain Stage 2: single-ended, three sections, distributed, 6AK5 pentodes
- Gain Stage 3: single-ended, common-cathode, 6AG7 pentode
- Gain Stage 4: single-ended, common-cathode, 6AG7 pentode
High Voltage Power Supply
The 517 uses 24 kV total acceleration voltage on the CRT. This is generated by the Type 420 High Voltage Power Supply subsystem in the 517. It uses a 1.8 kHz oscillator to produce the high voltage, unlike other Tek scopes which use HV oscillators in the ultrasonic range.
The 517 has a switch on the front panel that selects between normal vertical sensitivity, which uses the full 24 kV acceleration voltage, and "×2" mode, which drops the acceleration voltage to 12 kV for a doubling of the vertical sensitivity. The control works by switching the voltage division ratio of the feedback to the error amplifier in the HV supply.
CRTs Used in the 517
517 units with serial numbers 101 through 925 use the DuMont 5XP CRT. Later units use a Tek-made CRT, the T517PxH/T54PxH, where "x" designates the phosphor type: 1, 2, 7, 11, or 16. The 5XP used multi-band acceleration and has three anode connections, at 6.6 kV, 13.3 kV, and 20 kV. The Tek-made CRT has just one anode connection, 20 kV, and has 15 V/cm sensitivity at 24 kV total acceleration voltage.
The 517 might be the only Tektronix instrument to have a part made of wood - a support for a large electrolytic capacitor, C826, which filters probe power. (The 437-0065-00 carrying case also has wood parts.)
Comparison of 517 with 547
In 1965, following the introduction of the 50 MHz 547, the 517 was discontinued. The 547 uses a non-distributed solid-state vertical amplifier, tunnel diode triggering, and a 6.5 V/cm CRT, thereby achieving good performance with lower cost, size, weight, complexity, and power consumption than the 517.
517A | 547 with 1A1 | |
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Bandwidth | 50 MHz | 50 MHz |
Sensitivity | 50 mV/cm | 50 mV/cm |
Cost in 1964 | $3500 | $2475 |
Size | scope + power supply | all in one |
Weight | 148 lb / 67 kg | 71 lb / 32 kg |
Complexity | 130 tubes | 45 tubes |
Power Consumption | 1250 W | 510 W |
Some 517 modification kits are listed on page 181 of the 1959 catalog.
Tek sold the 108 pulse generator as a tool for maintaining the 517, since a fast scope requires a fast pulse generator to test it.
The P170CF cathode-follower probe was designed for use with the 517.
Links
- Tektronix 517 @ vintagetek.org
- Final Report on Tektronix MILSPEC High Speed Scope (PDF, cleaned up and OCR)
- Final Report on Tektronix MILSPEC High Speed Scope (5MB, PDF, cleaned up)
- Final Report on Tektronix MILSPEC High Speed Scope (220MB, PDF, original)
- Flynn and Johnson "Fast Grey Wedge Analyzer for High Input Rates"
- Thomas and Hearst, "An Electronic Scheme for Measurement of Exploding Wire Energy"
Pictures of 517
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bottom internal
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right internal
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top internal
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power supply internal
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12-pin Jones socket on power supply
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12-pin Jones plug
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Original Tek 517 cable with Jones plug
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12-pin Jones plug inside
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High voltage supply
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Front view
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12-pin Jones connector on indicator unit
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Left internal view
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Distributed vertical output amplifier
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Wooden support for capacitor C826
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Vertical pre-amplifier circuit
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Vertical amplifier circuit
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Trigger amplifier circuit
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CRT circuit
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Tek 517A ad from Electronics Magazine December 1955
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517 with 5XP CRT
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Pictures of 517A
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517A Front
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517A Power Supply
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517A with cart
Components
Some Parts Used in the 517
Part | Part Number(s) | Class | Description | Used in |
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12A4 | 154-0037-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | miniature 6.5 W power pentode | 517 • 517A |
12AU7 | 154-041 • 154-0041-00 • 154-0287-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Triode) | dual medium-μ triode | 104 • 104A • 122 • 160 • 161 • 162 • 181 • 190 • 310 • 310A • 316 • 317 • 3C66 • 502 • 502A • 507 • 511A • 512 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 526 • 535 • 536 • 545 • 545A • 545B • 547 • 549 • 555 • 561 • 564 • 570 • 575 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A • C • D • E • N • Q • Hickok 1825 |
5651 | 154-052 • 154-0052-00 • 154-0288-00 | Gas Discharge Tube (Voltage regulator) | 87 V voltage reference | 128 • 160 • 310 • 310A • 502 • 503 • 504 • 511A • 512 • 516 • 517 • 524 • 526 • 531 • 531A • 535 • 536 • 541 • 541A • 543 • 543A • 543B • 545 • 545A • 545B • 570 • 549 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A |
5R4GY | 154-0007-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Rectifier) | dual rectifier | 517 • 517A |
5XP | CRT | family of flat-faced 5" CRTs | 513 • 517 | |
6AG7 | 154-012 • 154-0012-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | 9 Watt power pentode | 104 • 104A • 105 • 112 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 513 • 514 • 517 • 517A • 524 |
6AK5 | 154-0014-00 • 154-0206-00 • 154-0084-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | RF pentode | B • C • CA • G • K • L • ML • S • Z • 517 • 517A • 524 |
6AL5 | 154-016 • 154-0016-00 • 154-0038-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Diode) | high-perveance dual diode | 163 • 181 • 190 • 1M1 • 310 • 310A • 315 • 316 • 317 • 3B1 • 3B1S • 3B2 • 3B3 • 3B5 • 502 • 502A • 503 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 526 • 535 • 535A • 545 • 545A • 549 • 551 • 565 • 570 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A • C • T • Telequipment D52 • Telequipment D56 • Telequipment S52 |
6AN8 | 154-078 • 154-0078-00 | Vacuum Tube (Triode/Pentode) | triode-pentode combo | 310 • 310A • 316 • 317 • 360 • 502 • 502A • 516 • 517 • 517A • 526 • 565 • 570 • 575 • N |
6AQ5 | 154-017 • 154-0017-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | beam pentode | 310 • 310A • 316 • 360 • 507 • 511A • 512 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 536 • 570 • 575 |
6AS5 | 154-0018-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | 5.5 W beam pentode | 517 • 517A • 524 |
6AS7 | 154-020 • 154-0020-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | dual power triode | 160 • 506 • 511A • 512 • 513 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 561 • 561A • 561S • 564 |
6AU5 | 154-021 • 154-0021-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | 10 W beam power pentode | 507 • 513 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 531 • 535 • 541 • 535 • 545 • 547 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A |
6AU6 | 154-0022-00 • 157-0073-00 • 157-0059-00 • 154-0284-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | RF pentode | 107 • 160 • 181 • 190 • 60 • 2A60 • 72 • 3A72 • 3C66 • 310 • 310A • 316 • 317 • 360 • 502 • 502A • 506 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 513 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 526 • 529 • RM529 • 531 • 531A • 535 • 536 • 545 • 545A • 546 • 547 • 549 • 555 • 561 • 561A • 561S • 564 • 565 • 567 • 570 • 575 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A • 80 • C • CA • Q |
6BH6 | 154-0026-00 • 154-0285-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | pentode | 130 • 162 • 310 • 310A • 512 • 517 • 517A • 524 • Nelson-Ross PSA-011 |
6C4 | 154-029 • 154-0029-00 | Vacuum Tube (Triode) | VHF triode | 190 • 3B2 • 507 • 511 • 511A • 517 • 517A • Chemtrix 205 |
6CB6A | 154-0030-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | pentode | 105 • 112 • 316 • 317 • 503 • 504 • 513 • 517 • 517A • 541 • 535 • 545 • 63 • 2A63 |
6J6 | 154-032 • 154-0032-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Triode) | high-frequency dual triode | 104 • 104A • 161 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 517 • 517A |
6X4 | 154-035 • 154-0035-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Rectifier) | dual rectifier | 128 • 130 • 181 • 511A • 512 • 517 • 517A • 570 |
Some Parts Used in the 517A
Part | Part Number(s) | Class | Description | Used in |
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12A4 | 154-0037-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | miniature 6.5 W power pentode | 517 • 517A |
12AU7 | 154-041 • 154-0041-00 • 154-0287-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Triode) | dual medium-μ triode | 104 • 104A • 122 • 160 • 161 • 162 • 181 • 190 • 310 • 310A • 316 • 317 • 3C66 • 502 • 502A • 507 • 511A • 512 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 526 • 535 • 536 • 545 • 545A • 545B • 547 • 549 • 555 • 561 • 564 • 570 • 575 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A • C • D • E • N • Q • Hickok 1825 |
12BH7 | 154-0046-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Triode) | dual triode | 506 • 517A • 561A • 561S • 564 • 567 |
5R4GY | 154-0007-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Rectifier) | dual rectifier | 517 • 517A |
6AG7 | 154-012 • 154-0012-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | 9 Watt power pentode | 104 • 104A • 105 • 112 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 513 • 514 • 517 • 517A • 524 |
6AK5 | 154-0014-00 • 154-0206-00 • 154-0084-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | RF pentode | B • C • CA • G • K • L • ML • S • Z • 517 • 517A • 524 |
6AL5 | 154-016 • 154-0016-00 • 154-0038-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Diode) | high-perveance dual diode | 163 • 181 • 190 • 1M1 • 310 • 310A • 315 • 316 • 317 • 3B1 • 3B1S • 3B2 • 3B3 • 3B5 • 502 • 502A • 503 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 526 • 535 • 535A • 545 • 545A • 549 • 551 • 565 • 570 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A • C • T • Telequipment D52 • Telequipment D56 • Telequipment S52 |
6AN8 | 154-078 • 154-0078-00 | Vacuum Tube (Triode/Pentode) | triode-pentode combo | 310 • 310A • 316 • 317 • 360 • 502 • 502A • 516 • 517 • 517A • 526 • 565 • 570 • 575 • N |
6AQ5 | 154-017 • 154-0017-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | beam pentode | 310 • 310A • 316 • 360 • 507 • 511A • 512 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 536 • 570 • 575 |
6AS5 | 154-0018-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | 5.5 W beam pentode | 517 • 517A • 524 |
6AS7 | 154-020 • 154-0020-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | dual power triode | 160 • 506 • 511A • 512 • 513 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 561 • 561A • 561S • 564 |
6AU5 | 154-021 • 154-0021-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | 10 W beam power pentode | 507 • 513 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 531 • 535 • 541 • 535 • 545 • 547 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A |
6AU6 | 154-0022-00 • 157-0073-00 • 157-0059-00 • 154-0284-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | RF pentode | 107 • 160 • 181 • 190 • 60 • 2A60 • 72 • 3A72 • 3C66 • 310 • 310A • 316 • 317 • 360 • 502 • 502A • 506 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 513 • 516 • 517 • 517A • 524 • 526 • 529 • RM529 • 531 • 531A • 535 • 536 • 545 • 545A • 546 • 547 • 549 • 555 • 561 • 561A • 561S • 564 • 565 • 567 • 570 • 575 • 581 • 581A • 585 • 585A • 80 • C • CA • Q |
6BH6 | 154-0026-00 • 154-0285-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | pentode | 130 • 162 • 310 • 310A • 512 • 517 • 517A • 524 • Nelson-Ross PSA-011 |
6C4 | 154-029 • 154-0029-00 | Vacuum Tube (Triode) | VHF triode | 190 • 3B2 • 507 • 511 • 511A • 517 • 517A • Chemtrix 205 |
6CB6A | 154-0030-00 | Vacuum Tube (Pentode) | pentode | 105 • 112 • 316 • 317 • 503 • 504 • 513 • 517 • 517A • 541 • 535 • 545 • 63 • 2A63 |
6J6 | 154-032 • 154-0032-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Triode) | high-frequency dual triode | 104 • 104A • 161 • 511 • 511A • 512 • 517 • 517A |
6X4 | 154-035 • 154-0035-00 | Vacuum Tube (Dual Rectifier) | dual rectifier | 128 • 130 • 181 • 511A • 512 • 517 • 517A • 570 |
T517 | 154-0105-00 • 154-0107-00 • 154-0108-00 • 154-0109-00 • 154-0128-00 | CRT | family of CRTs | 517A |