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[[File:NE-2 lamp.jpg|thumb|right|NE-2 neon lamp]]
'''Neon lamps''' are used for at least three different things in Tek instruments:
'''Neon lamps''' are used for at least three different things in Tek instruments:
# Indicator lamps, e.g., for power, beam position, or uncalibrated status
# Indicator lamps, e.g., for power, beam position, uncalibrated status, or a decimal point
# Voltage clamp, similar to how a zener diode is used
# Voltage clamp or stabilizer, similar to how a zener diode is used
# In relaxation oscillators, e.g. in 7000-series power supplies
# In relaxation oscillators, e.g. in 7000-series power supplies
[[File:585-neon-1.jpg|thumb|right|Broken lead (left) on neon in [[585]] time base]]
[[File:585-neon-1.jpg|thumb|right|Broken lead (left) on neon in [[585]] time base]]
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If the neon lamps fail, the CRT grid voltage will be affected.
If the neon lamps fail, the CRT grid voltage will be affected.


Another common use is for DC bias shifting, e.g. in 500-series timebase circuits.   
Another common use is for DC bias shifting, e.g. in 500-series timebase circuits, or the horizontal output of the [[511]]In such circuits, a 56 V Zener diode may be a possible replacement for the neon.


[[File:Neons in 545 timebase circuit.jpg|200px]]
545 timebase: [[File:Neons in 545 timebase circuit.jpg|250px|545 timebase]] 511 H output: [[File:511A H amplifier detail.png|250px|511A sweep output]]




When in doubt, replace the neon lamps. In a pinch, it may be possible to [[Media:585-neon-2.jpg|reattach broken leads]] after careful grinding of the glass.
When in doubt, replace the neon lamps. In a pinch, it may be possible to [[Media:585-neon-2.jpg|reattach broken leads]] after careful grinding of the glass.
[[Bruce Baur]] said:
<blockquote>
I had to replace a neon that had a broken lead in a 511. It would oscillate. I had lots of neons and would put them on a curve tracer to check. All liked to oscillate. I would then take the neon and bang it on the table, trying to make the internal elements non parallel. I broke a few, but I finally got the internal elements non parallel and the low frequency oscillation stopped.
</blockquote>
==See also==
* [[wikipedia:Neon_lamp|Neon lamp]] @ Wikipedia
* [[Media:GE-Glow-lamp-manual-Theory-Circuits-Ratings-2nd-Edition-1965-118-pages.pdf|GE Glow Lamp Manual, 2nd Ed. 1965]]
* William G. Miller, ''[[Media:Miller, Using and Understanding Miniature Neon Lamps (1969).pdf|Using and Understanding Miniature Neon Lamps]]'' (1969)
* [[:Category:Nixie tubes|Nixie tubes]]
* [[:Category:Voltage regulator tubes|Voltage regulator tubes]]


==Types and data==
==Types and data==
* NE-23 ''pls add data''
* See [[Media:Neon lamp specifications.pdf|Neon lamp specifications]]
* ...
 
{| class="wikitable"
!rowspan="2" | Type
!rowspan="2" | Tek P/N
!colspan="2" | Voltage
! Current
!rowspan="2" | Notes
|-
!Ignition
!Operating
!Nominal
|-
| [[NE-2]]
| 150-002, 150-0002-00
|align="center"| 76 (60−90) V 
|align="center"| 58 V
|align="center"| 0.3 mA
| =~ modern type [https://mouser.com/ProductDetail/VCC/A1A?qs=rHu0DOexXLD2XDJrE%252BAsOw%3D%3D A1A]
|-
| NE-2V
| 150-030, 150-0030-00
|align="center"| 76 (60−90) V 
|align="center"| 58 (46-78) V
|align="center"| 0.6 mA
| short length, formed tip for end-on viewing; dark compensated;  =~ modern type [https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/VCC/A2B?qs=%252BE2FUV3Ulmz0JmjQi2dc2Q%3D%3D A2B]
|-
| NE-23
| 150-027, 150-0027-00
|align="center"| 74 (60−90) V 
|align="center"| 59 V
|align="center"| 0.3 mA
| dark compensated
|}
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===Dark compensation===
Neon lamps require a higher voltage to ignite if operated in total dark, this is known as ''Dark effect''.  
This was compensated in some types by a "mild radioactive additive" to help with ionization, typically a small amount of Krypton-85 (beta emitter, 10.8 years half life) added to the gas filling.


After 50 years, radiation from this source will have reduced to ~3% of the intensity at new.  Modern NE-2 variants will likely not contain such an additive in the first place.


[[Category:Repair issues]]
[[Category:Repair issues]]
[[Category:Gas discharge tubes]]

Latest revision as of 03:49, 30 November 2023

NE-2 neon lamp

Neon lamps are used for at least three different things in Tek instruments:

  1. Indicator lamps, e.g., for power, beam position, uncalibrated status, or a decimal point
  2. Voltage clamp or stabilizer, similar to how a zener diode is used
  3. In relaxation oscillators, e.g. in 7000-series power supplies
Broken lead (left) on neon in 585 time base

Neon lamps fail more than most other components. A common failure mode is for the leads to break off, often close to the glass bulb, due to corrosion and vibration. Another failure mode is for the I-V characteristic to drift.

Neon lamps are used as a voltage clamp in the CRT circuit for setting the CRT grid voltage in many Tek instruments. A typical example is seen in the 561A:

If the neon lamps fail, the CRT grid voltage will be affected.

Another common use is for DC bias shifting, e.g. in 500-series timebase circuits, or the horizontal output of the 511. In such circuits, a 56 V Zener diode may be a possible replacement for the neon.

545 timebase: 545 timebase 511 H output: 511A sweep output


When in doubt, replace the neon lamps. In a pinch, it may be possible to reattach broken leads after careful grinding of the glass.

Bruce Baur said:

I had to replace a neon that had a broken lead in a 511. It would oscillate. I had lots of neons and would put them on a curve tracer to check. All liked to oscillate. I would then take the neon and bang it on the table, trying to make the internal elements non parallel. I broke a few, but I finally got the internal elements non parallel and the low frequency oscillation stopped.

See also

Types and data

Type Tek P/N Voltage Current Notes
Ignition Operating Nominal
NE-2 150-002, 150-0002-00 76 (60−90) V 58 V 0.3 mA =~ modern type A1A
NE-2V 150-030, 150-0030-00 76 (60−90) V 58 (46-78) V 0.6 mA short length, formed tip for end-on viewing; dark compensated; =~ modern type A2B
NE-23 150-027, 150-0027-00 74 (60−90) V 59 V 0.3 mA dark compensated

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Dark compensation

Neon lamps require a higher voltage to ignite if operated in total dark, this is known as Dark effect. This was compensated in some types by a "mild radioactive additive" to help with ionization, typically a small amount of Krypton-85 (beta emitter, 10.8 years half life) added to the gas filling.

After 50 years, radiation from this source will have reduced to ~3% of the intensity at new. Modern NE-2 variants will likely not contain such an additive in the first place.