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[[File:NE-2 lamp.jpg|thumb|right|NE-2 neon lamp]] | |||
'''Neon lamps''' are used for at least three different things in Tek instruments: | '''Neon lamps''' are used for at least three different things in Tek instruments: | ||
# Indicator lamps, e.g., for power, beam position, | # Indicator lamps, e.g., for power, beam position, uncalibrated status, or a decimal point | ||
# Voltage clamp, similar to how a zener diode is used | # Voltage clamp or stabilizer, similar to how a zener diode is used | ||
# In relaxation oscillators, e.g. in 7000-series power supplies | # In relaxation oscillators, e.g. in 7000-series power supplies | ||
[[File:585-neon-1.jpg|thumb|right|Broken lead (left) on neon in [[585]] time base]] | [[File:585-neon-1.jpg|thumb|right|Broken lead (left) on neon in [[585]] time base]] | ||
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If the neon lamps fail, the CRT grid voltage will be affected. | If the neon lamps fail, the CRT grid voltage will be affected. | ||
Another common use is for DC bias shifting, e.g. in 500-series timebase circuits. | Another common use is for DC bias shifting, e.g. in 500-series timebase circuits, or the horizontal output of the [[511]]. In such circuits, a 56 V Zener diode may be a possible replacement for the neon. | ||
[[File:Neons in 545 timebase circuit.jpg| | 545 timebase: [[File:Neons in 545 timebase circuit.jpg|250px|545 timebase]] 511 H output: [[File:511A H amplifier detail.png|250px|511A sweep output]] | ||
When in doubt, replace the neon lamps. In a pinch, it may be possible to [[Media:585-neon-2.jpg|reattach broken leads]] after careful grinding of the glass. | When in doubt, replace the neon lamps. In a pinch, it may be possible to [[Media:585-neon-2.jpg|reattach broken leads]] after careful grinding of the glass. | ||
[[Bruce Baur]] said: | |||
<blockquote> | |||
I had to replace a neon that had a broken lead in a 511. It would oscillate. I had lots of neons and would put them on a curve tracer to check. All liked to oscillate. I would then take the neon and bang it on the table, trying to make the internal elements non parallel. I broke a few, but I finally got the internal elements non parallel and the low frequency oscillation stopped. | |||
</blockquote> | |||
==See also== | |||
* [[wikipedia:Neon_lamp|Neon lamp]] @ Wikipedia | |||
* [[Media:GE-Glow-lamp-manual-Theory-Circuits-Ratings-2nd-Edition-1965-118-pages.pdf|GE Glow Lamp Manual, 2nd Ed. 1965]] | |||
* William G. Miller, ''[[Media:Miller, Using and Understanding Miniature Neon Lamps (1969).pdf|Using and Understanding Miniature Neon Lamps]]'' (1969) | |||
* [[:Category:Nixie tubes|Nixie tubes]] | |||
* [[:Category:Voltage regulator tubes|Voltage regulator tubes]] | |||
==Types and data== | ==Types and data== | ||
* NE-23 '' | * See [[Media:Neon lamp specifications.pdf|Neon lamp specifications]] | ||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
!rowspan="2" | Type | |||
!rowspan="2" | Tek P/N | |||
!colspan="2" | Voltage | |||
! Current | |||
!rowspan="2" | Notes | |||
|- | |||
!Ignition | |||
!Operating | |||
!Nominal | |||
|- | |||
| [[NE-2]] | |||
| 150-002, 150-0002-00 | |||
|align="center"| 76 (60−90) V | |||
|align="center"| 58 V | |||
|align="center"| 0.3 mA | |||
| =~ modern type [https://mouser.com/ProductDetail/VCC/A1A?qs=rHu0DOexXLD2XDJrE%252BAsOw%3D%3D A1A] | |||
|- | |||
| NE-2V | |||
| 150-030, 150-0030-00 | |||
|align="center"| 76 (60−90) V | |||
|align="center"| 58 (46-78) V | |||
|align="center"| 0.6 mA | |||
| short length, formed tip for end-on viewing; dark compensated; =~ modern type [https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/VCC/A2B?qs=%252BE2FUV3Ulmz0JmjQi2dc2Q%3D%3D A2B] | |||
|- | |||
| NE-23 | |||
| 150-027, 150-0027-00 | |||
|align="center"| 74 (60−90) V | |||
|align="center"| 59 V | |||
|align="center"| 0.3 mA | |||
| dark compensated | |||
|} | |||
''Please add'' | |||
===Dark compensation=== | |||
Neon lamps require a higher voltage to ignite if operated in total dark, this is known as ''Dark effect''. | |||
This was compensated in some types by a "mild radioactive additive" to help with ionization, typically a small amount of Krypton-85 (beta emitter, 10.8 years half life) added to the gas filling. | |||
After 50 years, radiation from this source will have reduced to ~3% of the intensity at new. Modern NE-2 variants will likely not contain such an additive in the first place. | |||
[[Category:Repair issues]] | [[Category:Repair issues]] | ||
[[Category:Gas discharge tubes]] |
Latest revision as of 03:49, 30 November 2023
Neon lamps are used for at least three different things in Tek instruments:
- Indicator lamps, e.g., for power, beam position, uncalibrated status, or a decimal point
- Voltage clamp or stabilizer, similar to how a zener diode is used
- In relaxation oscillators, e.g. in 7000-series power supplies
Neon lamps fail more than most other components. A common failure mode is for the leads to break off, often close to the glass bulb, due to corrosion and vibration. Another failure mode is for the I-V characteristic to drift.
Neon lamps are used as a voltage clamp in the CRT circuit for setting the CRT grid voltage in many Tek instruments. A typical example is seen in the 561A:
If the neon lamps fail, the CRT grid voltage will be affected.
Another common use is for DC bias shifting, e.g. in 500-series timebase circuits, or the horizontal output of the 511. In such circuits, a 56 V Zener diode may be a possible replacement for the neon.
When in doubt, replace the neon lamps. In a pinch, it may be possible to reattach broken leads after careful grinding of the glass.
Bruce Baur said:
I had to replace a neon that had a broken lead in a 511. It would oscillate. I had lots of neons and would put them on a curve tracer to check. All liked to oscillate. I would then take the neon and bang it on the table, trying to make the internal elements non parallel. I broke a few, but I finally got the internal elements non parallel and the low frequency oscillation stopped.
See also
- Neon lamp @ Wikipedia
- GE Glow Lamp Manual, 2nd Ed. 1965
- William G. Miller, Using and Understanding Miniature Neon Lamps (1969)
- Nixie tubes
- Voltage regulator tubes
Types and data
Type | Tek P/N | Voltage | Current | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Ignition | Operating | Nominal | |||
NE-2 | 150-002, 150-0002-00 | 76 (60−90) V | 58 V | 0.3 mA | =~ modern type A1A |
NE-2V | 150-030, 150-0030-00 | 76 (60−90) V | 58 (46-78) V | 0.6 mA | short length, formed tip for end-on viewing; dark compensated; =~ modern type A2B |
NE-23 | 150-027, 150-0027-00 | 74 (60−90) V | 59 V | 0.3 mA | dark compensated |
Please add
Dark compensation
Neon lamps require a higher voltage to ignite if operated in total dark, this is known as Dark effect. This was compensated in some types by a "mild radioactive additive" to help with ionization, typically a small amount of Krypton-85 (beta emitter, 10.8 years half life) added to the gas filling.
After 50 years, radiation from this source will have reduced to ~3% of the intensity at new. Modern NE-2 variants will likely not contain such an additive in the first place.