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''Note: possibly incomplete info, service manuals to be checked''.
''Note: possibly incomplete info, service manuals to be checked''.


Zenwizard Studios found thirteen of these in a [[475]] and thirteen of those tested as having a parasitic reverse diode junction.
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[[:User:Qfissler|I've]] listed eighteen from the 475 Service Manual in the [[475/Repairs#Problematic Transistors|475 Repairs]] page.
==Suspected mass failures==
[[User:Zenwizard|Zenwizard Studios]] found thirteen of these in a [[475]] and showed that thirteen of those tested as "having a parasitic reverse diode junction" on a cheap component tester.


:''What would be a suitable modern replacement for these transistors?''
''There is no such diode, parasitic or not'' – the cheap tester displays this symbol when the DUT has a low reverse breakdown voltage as seen in the traces below.  
The 475 Service manual lists some of the transistors with alternatives, and some without - so I'd be careful to check that some need to be closer in spec than others.


In his [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEXYRPNohyA video], Mr [[:User:Zenwizard | ZenWizard Studios]] used [[Media:KSP10.pdf | KSP10BU]] from [https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/onsemi-Fairchild/KSP10BU Mouser]. [https://uk.farnell.com/c/semiconductors-discretes/transistors/bipolar-transistors?st=ksp10&showResults=true Farnell] has them, too.
See the thread at https://groups.io/g/TekScopes/topic/101335545#201002 – [https://engineering.stanford.edu/people/thomas-lee Prof. Tom Lee] says:
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It's relevant to mention that many high-ft transistors have vey low breakdown voltages in inverted mode (i.e., collector and emitter exchanged).
Depending on how those Chinese component testers do their analysis, it's possible that the transistor is actually driven into reverse avalanche breakdown, which could very well be (mis)interpreted by the tester's algorithm as a diode being present and forward-biased when the emitter voltage is above that of the collector.
For grins, I tried some 5 GHz microwave transistors (Toshiba 2SC3302) that are known good (my students use these by the bushel in the microwave circuits class I teach).
They (the transistors, not the students) all behave the same on the Chinese component tester as the "bad" 151-0367-00 transistors.
The tester insisted that these transistors had the infamous C-E diode.
A standard DMM diode test does not show this diode, because the DMM's applied voltage is too low to provoke reverse breakdown.


So, the tester is the problem, and not the transistor.
Based on this set of results, an automatic "replace on sight" policy for these transistors based solely on a component tester's say-so seems unjustified, especially since the tester is most likely to make an error when evaluating possibly expensive high-ft devices.
</blockquote>


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Since reverse breakdown can damage the DUT, small-signal RF transistors should not be tested on component testers that may trigger that breakdown.  They should be checked only on a curve tracer.
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'''Suitable Modern Replacement'''
 
The 475 Service manual lists some of the transistors with alternatives, and some without, i.e. some may need to be closer in spec than others.
A list of eighteen has been extracted from the [[Media:Tektronix_475_Oscilloscope_Service_Manual.pdf|Service Manual]] and is shared on the [[475/Repairs#Problematic Transistors|475 Repairs]] page.
 
In his [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEXYRPNohyA video], Mr [[User:Zenwizard|ZenWizard Studios]] used [[Media:KSP10.pdf |Fairchild/On Semi KSP10BU]] from [https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/onsemi-Fairchild/KSP10BU Mouser]. [https://uk.farnell.com/c/semiconductors-discretes/transistors/bipolar-transistors?st=ksp10&showResults=true Farnell] has them, too.
 
In the [[Common Design Parts Catalogs|1982 Common Design Parts catalog]], -0367 is Cross referenced as AST3571 which appears to be a custom 2N3571.   
 
'''Pinout'''
 
The pinout of this transistor does not correlate with most modern BJTs.
With the flat part facing you, from left to right, the pin is collector, base, and emitter.
Incorrectly inserting a modern replacement thinking that it follows a standard emitter base collector can potentially bring down the equipment.
 
==Pictures==
<gallery>
151-0367-00 Front.jpg
151-0367-00 Back.jpg
151-0367-00 Pile.jpg
151-0367-00_curvetrace.jpg      | Typical curve trace of 151-0367-00 in positive direction ''(x-axis: 0.5v, y-axis: 1mA)''
151-0367-00_curvetrace_fault.jpg | Typical curve trace of 151-0367-00 in negative direction; the transistor has a low reverse bias breakdown voltage ''(x-axis: 0.5v, y-axis: 1mA)''
2N3053_curvetrace.jpg            | Typical reverse bias curve trace of a good 2N3053 transistor (note this is a low-frequency power device with large junctions so it is not comparable to the 151-0367-00)
</gallery>


==Used in==
==Used in==

Latest revision as of 03:06, 3 October 2024

The SKA6516  (P/N 151-0367-00) is an NPN Transistor. Note: possibly incomplete info, service manuals to be checked.

Key Specifications

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Suspected mass failures

Zenwizard Studios found thirteen of these in a 475 and showed that thirteen of those tested as "having a parasitic reverse diode junction" on a cheap component tester.

There is no such diode, parasitic or not – the cheap tester displays this symbol when the DUT has a low reverse breakdown voltage as seen in the traces below.

See the thread at https://groups.io/g/TekScopes/topic/101335545#201002Prof. Tom Lee says:

It's relevant to mention that many high-ft transistors have vey low breakdown voltages in inverted mode (i.e., collector and emitter exchanged). Depending on how those Chinese component testers do their analysis, it's possible that the transistor is actually driven into reverse avalanche breakdown, which could very well be (mis)interpreted by the tester's algorithm as a diode being present and forward-biased when the emitter voltage is above that of the collector. For grins, I tried some 5 GHz microwave transistors (Toshiba 2SC3302) that are known good (my students use these by the bushel in the microwave circuits class I teach). They (the transistors, not the students) all behave the same on the Chinese component tester as the "bad" 151-0367-00 transistors. The tester insisted that these transistors had the infamous C-E diode. A standard DMM diode test does not show this diode, because the DMM's applied voltage is too low to provoke reverse breakdown.

So, the tester is the problem, and not the transistor. Based on this set of results, an automatic "replace on sight" policy for these transistors based solely on a component tester's say-so seems unjustified, especially since the tester is most likely to make an error when evaluating possibly expensive high-ft devices.

Since reverse breakdown can damage the DUT, small-signal RF transistors should not be tested on component testers that may trigger that breakdown. They should be checked only on a curve tracer.

Suitable Modern Replacement

The 475 Service manual lists some of the transistors with alternatives, and some without, i.e. some may need to be closer in spec than others. A list of eighteen has been extracted from the Service Manual and is shared on the 475 Repairs page.

In his video, Mr ZenWizard Studios used Fairchild/On Semi KSP10BU from Mouser. Farnell has them, too.

In the 1982 Common Design Parts catalog, -0367 is Cross referenced as AST3571 which appears to be a custom 2N3571.

Pinout

The pinout of this transistor does not correlate with most modern BJTs. With the flat part facing you, from left to right, the pin is collector, base, and emitter. Incorrectly inserting a modern replacement thinking that it follows a standard emitter base collector can potentially bring down the equipment.

Pictures

Used in

Some instruments using part SKA6516

Instrument Manufacturer Class Model Description Introduced
465 Tektronix Oscilloscope 465 Portable 100 MHz dual-trace scope 1972
465B Tektronix Oscilloscope 465B Portable 100 MHz dual-trace scope 1980
466 Tektronix Oscilloscope 466 Portable 100 MHz dual-trace storage scope 1974
475 Tektronix Oscilloscope 475 Portable 200 MHz dual-trace scope 1972